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I attended a gun show this morning. It was held at an Elk's lodge in the county where I live. Many people who view this blog have probably never been to a gun show. Most gun shows are full of good people many (if not most) of whom are veterans that served our country. The individuals that sell from their private collections seem to be much more interested in changing their collection rather than making money. These people often just sell enough to buy something else that they have been wanting. All gun shows that I have attended have been EXTREMELY crowded and yet everyone still seems to be kind and friendly. I couldn't count how many times I was bumped into today. Many liberals seem to scream and cry about the so-called "Gun Show Loophole." The actual goings on is no different than someone selling their own possessions at a garage sale. Here is the description from wikipedia:

The "Gun show loophole" is a term coined to describe the legal sale of firearms between private individuals at gun shows in states where this is legal. When these sales take place at a gun show, some perceive a "loophole" in the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS), although these laws have never applied to individual-to-individual sales of personal firearms. United States federal law requires persons engaged in interstate firearm commerce, or who are in the business of selling firearms, to hold a Federal Firearms License and to perform checks prior to transferring a firearm, but there is an exemption for private sales by individuals who are "not engaged in the business" of selling firearms, or who only make "occasional" sales. Unlicensed private sellers are permitted by law to sell privately-owned guns at gun shows, or at private locations, in 24 states (as of 1998).[9]
Although gun shows remain a point of concern, a 1997 Department of Justice survey of 3,959 inmates found that only 2% stated that they had bought a gun used in a crime from a gun show.[10] The remaining 98% were obtained from other sources, in which the criminal had no direct connection with a gun show. The most common sources (35%) were family or friends.[11]
Licensed gun dealers that sell at gun shows must, by federal law, strictly adhere to background checks through the National Instant Criminal Background Check System. Additionally, some states and parts of states have laws requiring that a purchaser observe a waiting period before taking possession of a firearm from even private sellers, unless a CCW license is held by the buyer. These waiting periods typically range from 3 to 10 days depending on the state where the firearm is purchased.[12]
These waiting periods may not apply to firearms that fall under the "curio & relic" classification when they are sold to holders of a federal firearms license pertaining to curios and relics. Curios and relic firearms are treated like all firearms including waiting periods for unlicensed individuals.[13]
Tom Mangan, of the ATF, has stated, "There is no limit to the amount of guns that a private collector can have. Some have 10; some have 1,000, if I go to a gun show and state that this is my private collection, I am not required by law to ask you for identification, ask you to fill out any paperwork or conduct a background check."[14]
The ATF has reported that between 50% and 75% of the vendors at these venues possess a Federal Firearms License.[3] Remaining vendors may sell a variety of firearm and non-firearm items. Individuals who are not in the business of selling firearms, and who thus are not required to possess Federal Firearms Licenses, may make legal private firearm sales to residents of their own states, subject to state law. Federal law does not require a background check on such sales.
Private sales between attendees or between attendees and non-dealer vendors are not uncommon at gun shows, though they make up a small fraction of the guns sold.[15]
Some question the usefulness of laws that would make private sales at gun shows illegal, while the same private sales would be legal in the parking lot.[16]

132 comments:

Brooke said...

I've been wanting to attend the Bill Goodman's Gun and Knife show around here; I've just got to get the time off to do it!

I don't see a problem... It's not as if gangbangers are setting up kiosks at the shows. Sheesh.

Papa Frank said...

There's a real hierarchy at gun shows. Sellers are very friendly to people whom they recognize from other shows or older people. People who are young or are "questionable" looking, although they are rarely ever there, are not granted the same respect. Gun people are the first to try and "weed out" people that they don't think need a weapon. They realize that it's the morons who make it difficult on gun owners when they make bad choices. Prices are often set high for this very reason. Ask the wrong questions or say the wrong thing and that price will not move.

Chuck said...

It is nothing more than an attempt to chip away at the gun laws.

My dad and I argue about this, he is dead set against the NRA. He thinks they fight against rules that should be passed. I try to explain the slippery slope concept to him. The groups behind these laws are trying to take all guns away (which he does not support) and they are patient. I try to explain to him that passing anti-gun laws, even seemingly harmless ones, makes it easier to pass more laws until they have taken our guns away. The NRA has to be dilligent in protecting our rights or one day we will wake up and will be criminals because we have a gun in the house.

I've told him I would be more amenable to gun laws if we could do away with groups like Hand Gun Control Inc. who will not stop until no one has guns.

The Hermit said...

The Gun Show is a red flag to the left wing liberal mind. First, because it is associated with guns. Second, because it involves free people trading without the oversight of the government bureaucracy. That's why they hate gun shows so much.
You did good to get a photo inside the show. At gun shows here, no photography is allowed inside the show itself, and individuals carrying concealed weapons are required to check them at the door.

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It's the same here, Hermit. This photo is one that I found on the internet after about 1/2 hour of searching for one I liked. It was a good show but I didn't purchase anything but a hotdog/chips/soda meal. A friend of mine got a marlin lever action chambered in 44 magnum. The stock was a little faded (looks like it spent some time in the sun) but other than that it was beautiful. I'd like to have one chambered in .357 mag to go with my .357 Vaquero. There was one there but the cost was more than I cared for. I was shopping more for ammo than for a gun anyway. All the ammo was overpriced even for now. I left the show and went next door to Walmart. I hit it just right because the guy behind the gun counter was just unloading boxes of ammo from the cases and so I was finally able to buy some 9mm and some .38 special.

cube said...

Mr. Cube goes to gun shows and, lately, he's been unimpressed with the high prices of guns and ammo. Sales of both are up, but people not in the know are paying more than the items are worth.

I, too, feel that the gun show loophole is yet another attempt to whittle our gun rights down to a sliver and then to zero.

Z said...

Cube, sad that sellers are taking advantage of the frenzy...guns might just be the ONLY thing that's going UP in price, huh?

We're going to lose OUR gun rights just as Obama's arming his civilian corps.... ??!

WomanHonorThyself said...

whoa..Hussein hasnt made this illegal yet????

Alice Gorable said...

Sales of guns to criminals at gun shows dwarf in comparison to the thousands of guns that criminals acquire during the course of their normal criminal activities - home burglaries.

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