"Character, in the long run, is the decisive factor in the life of an individual and of nations alike." -- Theodore Roosevelt
You have a safe and honorable place here, Jason! I look forward to spending a little more time here...
You are welcome here any time BDJ. We are all friends here. Kick back and make yourself at home.
This is the best #@$%& site... OOOOPS! ;O)
So I shouldn't drop the f-bomb, is what you're saying?;)
Brooke! You'd never do that!!!!;-)
Ah... a safe place!!
You #%#%#%#%#@%#%#%#@%#...oh and you're a Christian too (lol). But seriously now folks, Bar just doesn't want anyone to come to his site and try and convert less knowledgable, less adherent Jews (not that I'm up for that kinda kinky stuff;) so what are you all riled up about?
BK is intelligent and quite capable of thinking on his own. This judah hakohain is not quite so fortunate. What riles me up is blatant inconsistency. I believe, and it would be backed up by the Torah, that truth comes from God and that only God's law is absolute truth. I am continually demeaned as an idol worshipper and this is as offensive to me as it would be to any Jew. I believe in one God but have a different understanding of the nature of God than understood by Judaism but yet I pray to one God, serve one God, and am grateful to only one God. I have never asked anyone at BK's to accept anything but the Torah or to read anything but the Torah or to believe anything but the Torah. The arguments in return are not from the Torah alone but from Rambam and Ramban and other rabbis that people have taken their words as absolute and law. I am sure that these were good and honorable men but they were only men. This is the inconsistency that I speak of. To me this is adding to the Torah because of the weight placed on these men's words. In my book that is idolatry. There are many Christian scholars and preachers and teachers but I do not argue using any of their words because that is all they are -- the words of scholars and preachers and teachers. It is only the Word of the Lord that will stand forever and not what any man has to say about it. Sorry for being so lengthy.
The rating reflects the temperance of the host... congrats.
Jason: I agree with most of what you say and the other parts...well, as I said, I don't know Judaism as well as B.K. so I won't argue with you. All I can say on behalf of B.K. is that it's offensive to have folks who want to convert you coming to your blog and telling you what they think you are or are not and adding insult to injury by quoting from texts you don't even recognize. You'll say "Why don't you prove them wrong then!?" But it's not about proving someone wrong. It's about being able to blog- or live in this country for that matter- without being intruded upon. That's how I feel when people try to convert me: that they're intruding my personal space; something which is holy to me.I think that you and B.K. need to reconcile because I believe both of you have only the best intentions. Have a good day, Jason and know that you're just fine in my book and in B.K.'s one as well.
My intention is not to convert. Actually, I don't believe that it is anyone's job to attempt to convert somebody. For someone to be converted it must come from inside of them and that would be the gift of God. God is the one who changes someone's heart to give them the desire to change in some way. Most people do not view their faith in this way. They think that they do need to convert others and conform them to their own view. God has taught me some things but has certainly not taught me everything. He has taught others things that I don't know but that I may need to learn. I am not talking about only Christians here. He has taught you things that I lack, He has taught BK things that I lack, He has taught Daniel things that I lack, etc...Anyone who seeks God will be given knowledge and truth according to their faith or their ability to accept the teaching. God is good and gives freely. The things I question at BK's is for the purpose of finding the truth. Some things I have been given a greater understanding of and some things others have been given a greater understanding of. BK is an intelligent person and seeks God. Daniel is an intelligent person and seeks God. And you Eitan are an intelligent person and seek God. That is why their are strong emotions between the four of us because we all four desire to know God more and to serve Him in the best way we can. The path to finding the best way is invariably found in the sifting of what we know and what we only think that we know. Please understand that I do not view Christians as being complete and Jews as being incomplete. I actually view us all as incomplete and that life is about learning and we will only be completed when we are in heaven as we will then know fully even as we are fully known by God. Once again, sorry for the lengthy response.
No, I'm sorry for my lengthy inquiries. Reading your response made me think that one of two things could have happened: either B.K. read wrongly into what you've been saying or vice versa. But Jason, let me just ask you this: You say your goal is not to try and convert anyone and I respect that very much. Trust me! B.K.'s post was not, then, aimed at you. You've never done any of the things he mentioned besides writing Jesus's Greek name. So I can understand him when he's saddened by the fact that you're upset. You guys have been good buddies (at least on line) for a long time and for the bond between you two to break due to a misunderstanding would be petty. What sayeth thou, Jason?
I harbor no ill feelings towards BK. I appreciate his passion and his knowledge of Torah. He is always welcome here at my blog and would be accepted with open arms in my home as well as would you. I would not have the same policy towards people like KL or judah k as their words and actions are not the words of Jews who study Torah to be closer to God but rather of Jews who believe themselves better and more important than all other races or religions and twist the Torah to assert this superiority. All races and religions are made up of people created in the image of God Himself. If traditional Jews believe that messianic Jews are wrong would it not be a better reaction to attempt to win back their jewish brothers and sisters with love and the words of Torah and not hate and separation? When those of us outside of Judaism see one Jew against their own jewish brother or sister it makes us sad and confused. If you can't stand by your own brothers and sisters then who can you stand by? BDJ would be considered less as a messianic Jew than I would as a Christian and both of us would be considered less than a Muslim because in BK's opinion a Muslim is closer to a Jew than either of us as he believes in one god allah. This is all very strange because in practicality BDJ is the closest to BK as he knows hebrew and lives in a practicing Jewish home. I show favor for Jews and help them out in practical ways as I did when I sent money to help out our friend Daniel. Many Muslims, though not all, seek to harm Jews and consider them to be dogs. How is any of this reconciled?
I'm sorry, but I feel a need to quote you;) BDJ would be considered less as a messianic Jew than I would as a Christian and both of us would be considered less than a Muslim because in BK's opinion a Muslim is closer to a Jew than either of us as he believes in one god allah.Absolutely wrong. We feel that we ware the Chosen People. Chosen to teach others by setting a good example. Just because Islam is closer to Judaism than is Christianity it by no means makes Christians "lesser" or "better" than Muslims. By the same token, we don't hold anyone to be better or worse than us- just different. Our standards for our brethren are higher than they are for anyone else because we expect more from fellow Jews. That's why it's ok for B.K. to preach Judaism to me but it's against Halacha to preach it to a non-Jew. Conversion to Judaism is the hardest process because we want to be absolutely sure this person wants the responsibility of being a religious Jew. Back to my point, B.K. will tell you that you are neither less nor more because you're Christian. Your friend, however, was born a Jew and had the responsibility of continuing Jewish lineage: something he will probably choose against.
That makes sense. There is certainly a different set of rules within a family than there is with an outsider. Though I don't know BDJ that well I have a feeling that he will continue a Jewish lineage. He is proud of his belief in Messiah but he seems equally proud of being a Jew and having a Jewish home that observes Torah and observes shabbat and the holidays. I would never consider him a Christian. That would seem to make him homeless. I don't think he's a Christian and others don't think he's a Jew. If you're out there BDJ sorry for using you as an example.
Back to the topic at hand, I also scored a 0%, another safe place! LOL!Well said, FFF!tmw
No problem. I just wish BK and Eitan could see my heart. They would know how much I love Am Yisrael. I understand their bitterness and resentment...I don't fault them for that. I am, indeed, a man without a country, as you said. I am not a Christian...I am a Jew. When I have kids, they will be raised as Jews. Christmas will never be celebrated in our home, nor will Easter, (I liked the Easter post on Yehudi's blog)...but it is a crazy dichotomy.I will not missionize, but I ache because I want everyone to know what I know. "The truth shall set you free."
curtains also got a very low rating as there are only three people proficient in profanitese allowed to cuss there.anybody else gets the axe!as for me, i make up curse words like "bull shiite" - safe enough and everybody knows i mean "toro mierde"!you're not going to censor me, are you?*;[
I wouldn't dare censor you in english or any other language!!!
I just posted an article by Rabbi Shmuely Boteach that you might find interesting, Jason...come over and check it out!
I thought I heard my name ;-)
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